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« on: May 04, 2005, 02:49:41 PM »

Yes, it is not russian-oriented topic.. But I hope there are many people, who knows history and can help me. Looking for the information about the G3 - know, that some SEALs units use this gun during Vietnam war.. Who can explain it? Who can give me some links, especially to pics? Thanks for your help..
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« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2005, 03:30:20 PM »

All I could find was this page:

http://www.mst2-vietnam.info/Stoner_ordnance_notes/stonerhtml/Heckler_and_Koch_G3.htm
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« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2005, 05:36:28 PM »

I'll look, i've seen it before, it had wood furniture.
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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2005, 06:13:54 PM »

That might make sense depending on when then seals used them, the early german G3s had wood furniture.
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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2005, 06:34:49 PM »

I don't believe polymers were used as furniture on the G3 until after Vietnam was over.
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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2005, 08:33:29 PM »

Thanks... Good link, but I know it, just like this one: http://st2.wz.cz/historie/vyzbrojus.htm  Smiley  May be somebody knows something else?  Wink
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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2005, 12:41:00 AM »

Well. As far as I know, i havent been able to find anything on the "G3" in vietnam. But!  SEAL did make som extended use of Hk33 made in the US by Harrigton Richardson as model T223. These weapons became the "standard" black ops weapon well into the late 90s.







Oh, by the way. Polymer WAS used on the Hk made G3s during the US/Vietnam. So it is quite possible too have and use a standard G3 for this period. I have and have read a great number of books on the US in Vietnam, but I havent seen any G3s Sad . Still thet does not mean thhat US special forces did not use them! The guys going into Laos made use of everyting from Belgian made FALs to wwII Mp40s!
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« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2005, 04:07:39 AM »

Whoops - my bad, I was under the impression that polymers didn't come aout until about 1970, towards the end of Vietnam.

Anyways, I have a number of historical books about SEALs in Vietnam, but none of them even mention G3s or HK33s.
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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2005, 12:07:22 PM »

Wow, how did we get our hands on MP40's?
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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2005, 03:58:56 PM »

Cheesy  HUGE stockpiles of ex nazi german weaponry went straight into US politcal re-armament programs for US "friendly" regims. Many Montangard gerilla fighters where first equiped with Mp40s! Later they recived more american weapons.

Hell, US navy SEAL favorit smg was the swedish made Kpist 45Carl Gustav! It was even made with internal suppresor here in sweden just for export to the US during this conflict!The S&W Model 76 was a just a rip off of the swedish-K!

I belive US special forces used every kind of small arms during this period!
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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2005, 04:18:55 PM »

Well its true, you learn something new everyday.  Cheers
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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2005, 04:33:14 PM »

FN FALS were definately used in Vietnam - not sure on the G3s  - they could have been CETMEs though - the G3s daddy.

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as24f-e.htm

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as60-e.htm
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« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2005, 12:46:23 PM »

polymer materials were used in the second world war. admitidly not for rifle furnature.   materials such as synthetic rubber, nylon, bakerlite etc were all used.  polmers aint that new.
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« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2005, 11:34:19 PM »

I've seen WorldWar II Kar98s with bakelite stocks and the mp40 has the grips made of it.
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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2005, 02:35:43 AM »

Smiley Well my conclusion is, since the Hk G3/CETEME/91etc is and at that time was the second most spread weapon design( Guess wich one is numero uno! Cool )and! Was even manufacured in more than a dozen countries(Including the US!)it is there fore not unlikely that it would see action in Vietnam in the hands of SOG operators and SF people working under the need for "sterile weapons". Hell! I have even seen weapons such as the Uzi in the hands of ARVN soldiers in some books.

The Hk G3 design and its deriatives is still a very potent and popular weapon all over the world.
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« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2005, 04:01:35 AM »

Quote from: "Stan the Gun man"
Smiley Well my conclusion is, since the Hk G3/CETEME/91etc is and at that time was the second most spread weapon design( Guess wich one is numero uno! Cool )and! Was even manufacured in more than a dozen countries(Including the US!)it is there fore not unlikely that it would see action in Vietnam in the hands of SOG operators and SF people working under the need for "sterile weapons". Hell! I have even seen weapons such as the Uzi in the hands of ARVN soldiers in some books.

The Hk G3 design and its deriatives is still a very potent and popular weapon all over the world.


i agree. i wouldn't be surprised if there may have been a few G3's used most probably by SOG units. on the same note, the FN FAL, which is more or less similar to the G3 was used by aussie SASR units in vietnam. as for the uzi, i saw a picture of this submachinegun used by SOG HALO teams in a book by john plaster.  AK
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« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2007, 08:30:44 PM »

Speaking about MP40s in Vietnam I saw a photo of a bunch of the indig fighters in the south and there was a table with a large number of MP40s laid out like firewood but I can't recall where I saw that pic at? George
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« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2007, 05:58:02 PM »

polymer g3´s were certainley around in the sixties. sweden adopted the g3 as ak4 1964 and i have never seen anything but black polymer ak4´s
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« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2007, 11:37:16 PM »

i have a picture of an H&K in use in country. One sec.

Uploaded, here you are.



Doesnt look a G3, looks much more .223 chambered.
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« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2007, 12:48:32 AM »

American HK33 clone, Harrington & Richardson T223.
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« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2007, 03:55:07 PM »

HandR Made a H&K Clone? More info on this one please.Thanks George
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« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2007, 05:06:41 PM »

Well all I know is that they made a licensed copy of H&K's HK33 that was used by Navy Seals in Vietnam and some SWAT units in the US.
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« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2008, 08:14:04 PM »

Not to forget the HK32 which MAY have been intended for the Warsaw Bloc market?





AND the SIG SG510-3, again chambered in 7.62x39

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« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2008, 08:17:31 PM »

Erm, they're for battlefield pickups, not for the E. Bloc market.

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