SB1315 has passed California assembly

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[adadqgg]

Looks like someone failed to read and restated the obvious.

KWAusa(company tricking n00bs into thinking they are best in world; same one that deletes all evidence of their failure pointed out in their forum)=/=kwa

[EvilAndyXO]

Really. Let's not gripe on the virtues or lack of california manufactured parts. This at the very least would stagnate airsoft providers on the west coast. A little concern and positive support might be preferable comrade.

[LoneSniperSG]

Hm. if I am not mistaken, there is a subsection of the bill that would effect paintball guns as well:

  (b) Notwithstanding subdivision (a), the County of Los Angeles,
and any city within the County of Los Angeles, may enact and enforce
an ordinance or resolution regulating the manufacture, sale,
possession, or use of a spot marker gun that expels a projectile
larger than 16mm.

[Komissar]

My issue is Paintball never receives the same "hatred" as airsoft. Yes, the markers are unrealistic, but as an accessory to a crime, a PB marker can be more dangerous (I know somebody who had their house shot up with PB markers shooting marbles, they were going through the windows and getting imbedded in the drywall) specifically if marbles are used as ammo. If PB was in as much danger as airsoft there would be more resistance too the bill. It is sad that our lawmakers waste time on something as trivial as this.

[telebreon]

Uh i think it's only effective in LA
 "Only this time it is limited to Los Angeles instead of effecting whole California.

[url]http://www.airsoft2day.com/news/856-sb-1315-passed-california-state-senate-public-safety-committee.html#ixzz2439SyVhh[url]

[LoneSniperSG]

Yes, but the problem for people outside of Cali is the possibility of it affecting airsoft imports.

[ricecakes]

Did the Gov.  ever sign it?

[adadqgg]

Yes, but the problem for people outside of Cali is the possibility of it affecting airsoft imports.

I really want to see a list of airsoft products that actually gets imported through California.

Because as far as I remember, I remember nothing about anything I buy from overseas going through there.

As long as foxairsoft does not have shipment going through california; I see no huge problem until other states attempt to copy such stupid idea(which everyone will realize once they see more crime with real guns).

[Geostormz]

Times like this, I'm glad I lived in Texas.  I call and faught against sb789 but was told that i don't count cause I'm not a resident CA.  I cannot understands the liberals and their rediculous law in CA.

Good luck comrades, I hope your Governor is smarter than the rest of the bureaucrats in your senate.  I pray that he will do the best thing for his state.

Good luck comrades.

[Clarke]

Man, this is a HUGE problem, we got a fair amount of fields down here in California and who knows what will happen in the future, for all we know higher prices will put off more people and that could mean fields might shut down/lay off people, as even though little kids (not all, but I have seen fair amount of dumbasses on youtube) bring us a bad name ALOT of them do go to the fields bringing in much income

[LoneSniperSG]

I really want to see a list of airsoft products that actually gets imported through California.

Because as far as I remember, I remember nothing about anything I buy from overseas going through there.

As long as foxairsoft does not have shipment going through california; I see no huge problem until other states attempt to copy such stupid idea(which everyone will realize once they see more crime with real guns).

We'd lose Airsoft GI and Evike, along with some LA-area fields. That is what I don't like. One of those fields is a Lion Claws field, even.

[adadqgg]

We'd lose Airsoft GI and Evike, along with some LA-area fields. That is what I don't like. One of those fields is a Lion Claws field, even.

No complaints about evike.

[Dmitri Belinkov]

No complaints about evike.

Not a fan of their customer service.

[adadqgg]

Not a fan of their customer service.

I have no problem with customer service; just that they fail to check guns and trick n00bs with special "custom" rifles.

Not that airsfotgi is any better.

[Kill001]

yeah, there's a lot of kiddos who beg their parents to buy that rly kewl 1337 taktukul gnu w/ 9001 railwde surfaces in Cali so AGI and Evike take advantages of that...

[telebreon]

yeah, there's a lot of kiddos who beg their parents to buy that rly kewl 1337 taktukul gnu w/ 9001 railwde surfaces in Cali so AGI and Evike take advantages of that...

But how are you going to put a 1aser on your flashlight with out rails?

[adadqgg]

But how are you going to put a 1aser on your flashlight with out rails?

You put on laserflashlight.

[Kill001]

But how are you going to put a 1aser on your flashlight with out rails?

why mount something that weighs your gun down and reveals your position and draws fire?

[AndrewStudstrup]

why mount something that weighs your gun down and reveals your position and draws fire?

It can be used as a counter-weight (and to counter muzzle-climb, but I don't think there's a GBB that has enough recoil to 'justify' it), and I guess for people that'd want extra weight for whatever reason they may have(I have yet to see anyone like this, but what do I know?). The flashlight could be used for the few night games where flashlights are mandatory; while the laser can be used by the few people who are either unconfident of their aim and/or for quick target acquisition.

[Kill001]

It can be used as a counter-weight (and to counter muzzle-climb, but I don't think there's a GBB that has enough recoil to 'justify' it), and I guess for people that'd want extra weight for whatever reason they may have(I have yet to see anyone like this, but what do I know?). The flashlight could be used for the few night games where flashlights are mandatory; while the laser can be used by the few people who are either unconfident of their aim and/or for quick target acquisition.

what the-

fleshlight mandatory games? You learn something new everyday...

Anyways, lasers are pretty much negated by reflex sights and dot sights that provide better balance to a rifle, it serves the same purpose as a laser without revealing your position. (unless you're constantly hipfiring constantly like an African militant then maybe you still need your laser training wheels) As much as retailers and manufacturers want you to buy their products because they want you to play Barbie with your rifle, the marketing here is bad enough that all I see coming from the two main retailers is TACTICALTACTICALTACTICAL and it ignores anything without synthetic furniture and rails

ON TOPIC THOUGH!

so does this bill looks like it will pass? Any news?

[LoneSniperSG]

It's been signed and passed.

..Freaking idiots.. 

[Kill001]

I heard, but all that law does is so it gives LA County (only LA County so far) permission to create more laws/rules to regulate airsoft guns

so far it doesn't affect anything... yet

I think as long as some idiot kid doesn't try anything then scared liberals won't enact dumb reactionary laws into place

[LoneSniperSG]

All it takes is one dumb kid with a cheap walmart gun...

[Spinal]

why mount something that weighs your gun down and reveals your position and draws fire?

[offtopic] A good light is another tool in the box.  I've used SureFires to blind the SHIT out of people before.  And I have one evil little bastard of a light that is essentially just the sun with a strobe attachment.  With handguns, using the Harries or Rogers technique (depending on the light/gun combo) with that strobe is a fucking nightmare for unsuspecting victims on the receiving end during low-light CQC.  Weapon lights remove the difficulty of indexing the light in the same place every time, and counterbalance the pistol to aid in target reacquisition, but require one to always point the light and muzzle at the same object - not always the best course of action.

On a rifle, a good weapon light can both be blind in close-quarters and provide a "shoot the shit out of this right here" spotlight on the OpFor in open field.  Lights only give your position away when you turn them on - and quite frankly, it should only be on when the situation demands it.  Blinding just before an ambush can be very advantageous.  Only idiots run around with the light on at all times - God made pressure switches for a reason.

As for lasers, honestly, IR lasers are the only useful ones, and they require NVGs to matter at all.  Being able to point out targets and direct fire without revealing your position at all is a HUGE asset to any team/squad.  At airsoft ranges, a "sniper"/observer could use a reasonably powerful IR beam to lase enemy squads from the high ground as the main force moves into position to intercept and destroy.  Or, alternatively, a squad could use their IR beam to search the area where a suspected sniper is located: most airsofters don't understand how to preserve IR resistance in their uniforms (and buy shitty gear that isn't treated), so the 1337 sniper shines like a goddamn disco ball when the beam hits him.  Of course, IR is a dual-edged sword, and if the other team has NVGs too, one would have to be VERY careful with using the beam.  Or any kind of illumination.  And with what one is wearing.  But that's a different situation altogether.[/offtopic]

EDIT: Clarity.

[adadqgg]

Mount?  I just use blue tape.

I do find flashlights useful when you literally cannot see 5ft in front of you; obviously if you are going to get any kill without using any light would mean you got them through bayonet.